i was a window cleaner, i was at the time unemployed, homeless.
i had no education to be proud of (high school one a two b's rest c's) i was a jehovahs witness.
i had been a pioneer.
Snare&Racket, It is always a happy delight to hear from you. I am so thrilled and honored to hear about all of your accomplishments.
Well done!
Tell your girlfriend, that LoisLane thinks she has the most wonderful, intelligent, hardworking and funny, handsome and humble man on the planet.
I wish you both much love and happiness as you continue your admirable work and life.
Hugs
before i begin i just wanna say, im not proud of what i did, it was wrong but it happened now im just trying to do the right thing.. ok so im a "worldly" person and i meet a jw women at my job.
i had no idea she was married due to the fact that she hid her wedding ring.
i even ask if she was in a relationship and she denied it.
You haven't seen your twin daughters for 2 months? Aww. That must be hard on you. They grow so quickly.
I have no idea which country you are in but I am guessing your lawyer is working on that for you.
I say congratulations to you and your girls. You seem like a nice guy. You didn't realize you were interested and falling in love with a married woman. Why would she hide that fact from an obviously attentive man? That is being deceitful right off the bat.
The above posters have given you good information. You can be the difference in these little ones lives. Birthdays and Christmas. All they are are just marking a happy time. JW..org wants to control every aspect of their members lives. You can influence them for the better.
Hugs to you for being a good guy. I am happy for your little girls that they have such a strong and caring Daddy that loves them very much.
someone sent this link of kelso law firm and their blog post on cardinal pell being australia's most hated man.
the implications are very interesting, as this is the 3rd most powerful man in the vatican.
the catholic church is no doubt much larger than jehovah's witnesses, however, the jw's incidence of child sexual abuse is about 4 times higher than the catholic church's child sex abuse (and subsequent coverups).. the main thread tying cardinal pell and the other vatican scandals to jehovah's witnesses is the australian royal commission.
Are there 2 stories going on here?
Why is a Catholic nun at the kingdom hall and also at a convention? What is the tie in to the OP?
In all my decades in the JW..org money making Business of Religion, I have never heard anyone "tell" on anyone. After getting out and reconnecting with different ones, there was a lot of evil behavior taking place by active Dubs. The last one I heard of when an active JW grandmother was confronted by her grand daughter's telling her that grandmother's husband had molestated her, she was in total denial. Why her good pioneering Elder husband wouldn't do that! Then she only wanted the girl to be quiet and not rock the boat and certainly not "tell" anyone. Oh Horrors! In JW's mind set, it is worse to "tell" than to be the perpetrator! "Oh, we cannot dishonour god Jehovah's name by saying such horrid things about him and his people. Why, we might stumble some worldly person... and then we would be blood guilty that they did not commit to WT's (lies).
In the congo I grew up in and in the neighboring ones, I knew only the tip of the iceberg of what was really happening (and there was lots of evil behaviour perpetrated against children). People were getting DF for adultery and fornication, but incest and pedophilia, were not talked about. Those who are victims are usually quieted by fears of threatened death to themselves or other family members or their beloved pet. That this is the twenty first century and JW's are actually getting caught and exposed for their wickedness is 100% fantastic.
WT/JW..org holds to certain dogma's such as their 2 person rule, when all it is really doing, is covering up it's evil behaviour so that the GB can keep their business model looking clean and respectable when in all honestly, it is anything but clean and respectable. They are white washed graves that are full of rot and decay. Despicable!
if the end is oh-so-very-near why the exhortation rammed home during the convention to "don't give up.
if humankind is poised right on the knife edge of the end, the sense of urgency in the organization would be breathtakingly palpable.
urgency?
@Steve. Your post made me think of the pyramid scheme of Madoff's. He needed a constant supply of money, so he was probably doing just like the GB, "Don't give up NOW". (Don't my investors know I LOVE their money??? They don't need it. I do! Gimme gimme gimme!).
One day, hopefully soon, most of the Western world with computers, will wake up to all the twisted lies and manipulations of the JW..org Business Management Group and leave.
The man behind the curtain will be exposed with all their corruption and filth. What normal person would want to be associated with THAT group?
hi everyone.. this is just a thought, while reading bill bowen's silent lambs website i was interested to find out how long ago the figure of 23,000 molesters was published.. well it was in 2002.. in the spring of 2002, silentlambs was contacted by three different sources who claimed to have connected with people inside the headquarters of the watchtower bible & tract society of new york, located in patterson , new york .
these insiders provided silentlambs contacts with a computer data base number of 23,720 child molesters on file there.
so as the spring of 2002 was just over 15 years ago i wonder how many more have been added to the list ?.
@mrmagic... You have said many things that are food for thought.
But, I also must add about innocent children (your words, groomed and brainwashed into accepting it...). When they are subjected to such abuse, they become traumatized. So traumatized by the event, that when the next unwanted touching happens, sometimes they are totally unprepared as to what to do. Innocent children expect the adults to be good and nice and to act proper, but many, unfortunately, are not what they seem.
Depending on the age of the child when abuse first happens and if it is a boy or a girl.
You are aware that for some children, their innocence is taken away so early in babyhood, diaper age, that they can become so traumatized by it all, they can become mute, and might appear to be complacent, but it is more like... What is going to happen to me next? Will I survive this time???
WT is MrEvil. Possibly the victims that step up and speak out are only the tip of the ice berg. WT does protect pedophiles. There is no denying that. How many perpetrators are there really in each congregation? If we knew, we would all be shocked!
we all know that the governing body claim to be "god's representatives" and the "faithful and discreet slave" that dispenses spiritual food..... but where is the proof?.
according to the bible (if we just for a moment take it as a reliable source), all of god's representatives in the past furnished proof of their appointment - not just self referential claims or statements.. for instance, moses and aaron performed miracles before pharaoh (such as the snake staffs.).
other prophets performed signs and miracles such as making the sun stand still, healing sick people, making walls fall down, etc etc.... even jesus performed miracles as proof of his divine appointment!.
When psychopaths speak... They demand to be listened to.
They trade in lies and manipulation. They will say whatever they feel they need to say to stay in control and power over others. They will never ever say they are wrong, even when it is in front of them in black and white.
They cannot be trusted.
They are evil.
The 7 of them in New York have played the game to their advantage. They lord it over the flock.
They are sick and are sickening.
Get away from them. Quick!
most jws i know claim they are happy being in the great crowd.
they'd rather live on a paradise earth and pet lions than go to heaven.. heaven is a place they can't relate to, a place where they don't expect their friends and loved ones to be.. so why are more and more jws claiming to be of the anointed?.
aren't they looked down upon as if they are crazy, proud, ignorant, or engaging in apostate thinking?.
I agree to all of the above.
Adults don't believe in Santa Claus... But will believe some psychopathic men in New York tell them if they jump threw all of these hoops for them... They will gua-ran-tee you are going to live for-ever (which no one does) on a beautiful earth AND... people line up to jump threw those hoops! Really quite amazing just how naive humans can be.
AND, in this same package of supposed delights... If you really want to appear extra Holy, tell them God told you he has a special seat in heaven waiting just for you! Now that should get you special treatment at the kingdom hall. Once a year you get to eat 1 cent worth of dry crackers and a 25 cent sip of red wine.
Some people will do anything for attention AND a free lunch. lol
just wanted to share with you some good news i'm really excited about.
i have been accepted for university to study psychology and counseling.
my goal is to become a counselor and, in time, to specialize on treating those who have left high control relationships/groups like we all did.. it'll take a few years before im qualified but studying in university has been a dream of mine since i was 12, which was systematically dashed to pieces by watchtower.. .
I am so happy for you!
All the very best in all your endeavors!
Hugs
i heard this expression very often and even said it often myself.
now that i am out, i realize this isn't always the case.
there were many times i was going out in service saturday morning and couldn't wait for 12:00 to come along so that we could go swimming, bicycling, play basket ball, go to the beach... .
Stephane ~ And it will get better and better until you think clearly and with joy when each week end comes around for you to plan your own adventures.
Someone was looking out my living room window recently and said (I thought) "There's Winston!" Oh, I thought, I am so happy to see Winston again!. No. They said, "Oh look. There's Witnesses". I hadn't even comphrended that it was Saturday morning... The witching hour for mind controlled JW..org robots... lol
So happy for most of us on this forum who "qustioned our religion" like a thinking human being should question anything... Before they commit themselves.
I feel so sorry for the children...
PS What you outlined above, I cannot imagine doing it AND especially doing it for a worldwide real estate fraud religion telling me I must do it for them and for free or else they will take all of my family and friends away from me and call me an evil person to boot. Hey! Slavery is supposed to be outlawed in progressive countries. This is 2017!
Glad you enjoyed your day, your way.
i just viewed this.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5703039295946752/clapping-singing-conventions-like-evangelicals.
ok the point has been made.
I know someone who is so excited to go to their regional convention. She said she was in New York in 1958 and that was a great one, but this one is going to be even greater.
She loves the music. She is so desperate to be young and beautiful FOREVER lol that I think she would eat turd pies if they were sanctioned by the 7 Fools in New York.
I recall not that many years ago when a letter was read. You must not hold hands with your marriage partner during prayer. It might offend someone.
Now lets clap like we are all going on a permanent vacation to paradise and drink pina colada's. I bet none of those happy clapping Penecostal JDubs even think about who is going to be the gardner to provide all the food for the humans and animals. What? Shock! We have to WORK in Paradise??? No one ever said that!
